Additional Tramway-Models needed

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Сообщение Gamerdgl » 30 апр 2022, 04:47

Christian Maibaum пишет:
29 апр 2022, 18:28
Please add a

CCQG1000

According to this source
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%95%BF ... 6%E7%BB%84
the 14 tramcars of type Q6W-1 have been overhauled and are coupled in 7 permanent trains of type CCQG1000.
I added the model but manufacturer information is missing for a lot of vehicles

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Сообщение Christian Maibaum » 30 апр 2022, 18:56

Gamerdgl пишет:
30 апр 2022, 04:47
Christian Maibaum пишет:
29 апр 2022, 18:28
Please add a

CCQG1000

According to this source
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%95%BF ... 6%E7%BB%84
the 14 tramcars of type Q6W-1 have been overhauled and are coupled in 7 permanent trains of type CCQG1000.
I added the model but manufacturer information is missing for a lot of vehicles
manufacturer of models Q6W-1, Q6W-2 and CCQG1000 is "Xiangtan Electric Co."

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Сообщение Christian Maibaum » 30 апр 2022, 19:28

"CNR" (China Northern Locomotive & Rolling Stock) and "CSR" (China South Locomotive & Rolling Stock Corp) were merged as of 01.06.2015 to "CRRC" (CRRC Corporation Limited) Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRRC

Each of the manufacturers "CNR" and "CSR" had many manufacturing subsidaries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_CNR ... bsidiaries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSR_Corpo ... bsidiaries
since 2015:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRRC#Subsidiaries

Each subsidiary is to be seen as an independent manufacturer.

Few Examples:
"CSR Dalian" had an License Agreement with AnsaldoBreda to build Sirio trams in China.
Now since 2015 the Manufacturer is to be named as "CRRC Dalian"

"CSR Zhuzhou" had an License Agreement with Siemens to build Avenio trams in China.
Now since 2015 the Manufacturer is to be named as "CRRC Zhuzhou"

"CSR Nanjing Puzhen" had a License Agreement with Bombardier to build Flexity 2 trams in China.
Now since 2015 the Manufacturer is to be named as "CRRC Nanjing Puzhen"

As only this subsidary is allowed to build the trams, I would not refer to them as CRRC Sirio but as CRRC Dalian Sirio. Same goes for Flexity and Avenio.
I hope you get my point. If not please ask :)

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Сообщение Christian Maibaum » 30 апр 2022, 21:46

Please add a Model

DL8000

to Manufacturer

Dalian Tram Factory 大连电车工厂

Source: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/DL8000%E5 ... 5%E8%BD%A6

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Сообщение Christian Maibaum » 02 май 2022, 12:45

Please apply some changes to the "Tramway — Makes and Models"-list regarding Siemens Combino

Please configure the following existing Models as submodels of Siemens Combino:
Submodels:
  • Green Mover Hiroshima series 5000 (this model is built by Siemens, not Kinki Sharyo)
  • Siemens NF8 (it's a Siemens Combino, only in Augsburg and Düsseldorf they refer to them as "NF8")
  • Siemens NF8U (it's a Siemens Combino, only in Düsseldorf they refer to them as "NF8U")
  • Siemens NF10 (it's a Siemens Combino, only in Düsseldorf they refer to them as "NF10")

As a result of the problems discovered in 2003/04 with the Combino trams that had previously been delivered, Siemens had to change its strategy for two new customers and deliver vehicles with a completely different design.
In contrast to the previously manufactured multi-articulated wagons with aluminum bodies, the new wagons again received stainless steel bodies with running gears under each wagon section.
In the first brochures, the new type of tramcar from Siemens was still referred to as the "Combino Budapest NF12B". Later, Siemens simply referred to it as "Combino Plus, Budapest".

Please add new main model Siemens Combino Plus (this has to be used for the Almada trams) and make the existing model Siemens Combino Supra NF12B a submodel of the Siemens Combino Plus.

Apart from the name an Manufacturer Combino and Combino Plus have only few similarities. Therefore I would not classify the Combino Plus as a submodel of the Combino.

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Сообщение Gamerdgl » 06 май 2022, 00:57

Christian Maibaum пишет:
30 апр 2022, 18:56

manufacturer of models Q6W-1, Q6W-2 and CCQG1000 is "Xiangtan Electric Co."
XEMC in database

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Сообщение Gamerdgl » 06 май 2022, 01:00

Christian Maibaum пишет:
30 апр 2022, 19:28
"CNR" (China Northern Locomotive & Rolling Stock) and "CSR" (China South Locomotive & Rolling Stock Corp) were merged as of 01.06.2015 to "CRRC" (CRRC Corporation Limited) Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRRC

Each of the manufacturers "CNR" and "CSR" had many manufacturing subsidaries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_CNR ... bsidiaries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSR_Corpo ... bsidiaries
since 2015:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRRC#Subsidiaries

Each subsidiary is to be seen as an independent manufacturer.

Few Examples:
"CSR Dalian" had an License Agreement with AnsaldoBreda to build Sirio trams in China.
Now since 2015 the Manufacturer is to be named as "CRRC Dalian"

"CSR Zhuzhou" had an License Agreement with Siemens to build Avenio trams in China.
Now since 2015 the Manufacturer is to be named as "CRRC Zhuzhou"

"CSR Nanjing Puzhen" had a License Agreement with Bombardier to build Flexity 2 trams in China.
Now since 2015 the Manufacturer is to be named as "CRRC Nanjing Puzhen"

As only this subsidary is allowed to build the trams, I would not refer to them as CRRC Sirio but as CRRC Dalian Sirio. Same goes for Flexity and Avenio.
I hope you get my point. If not please ask :)

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Сообщение Gamerdgl » 06 май 2022, 01:02

Gamerdgl пишет:
06 май 2022, 01:00
Christian Maibaum пишет:
30 апр 2022, 19:28
"CNR" (China Northern Locomotive & Rolling Stock) and "CSR" (China South Locomotive & Rolling Stock Corp) were merged as of 01.06.2015 to "CRRC" (CRRC Corporation Limited) Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRRC

Each of the manufacturers "CNR" and "CSR" had many manufacturing subsidaries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_CNR ... bsidiaries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSR_Corpo ... bsidiaries
since 2015:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRRC#Subsidiaries

Each subsidiary is to be seen as an independent manufacturer.

Few Examples:
"CSR Dalian" had an License Agreement with AnsaldoBreda to build Sirio trams in China.
Now since 2015 the Manufacturer is to be named as "CRRC Dalian"

"CSR Zhuzhou" had an License Agreement with Siemens to build Avenio trams in China.
Now since 2015 the Manufacturer is to be named as "CRRC Zhuzhou"

"CSR Nanjing Puzhen" had a License Agreement with Bombardier to build Flexity 2 trams in China.
Now since 2015 the Manufacturer is to be named as "CRRC Nanjing Puzhen"

As only this subsidary is allowed to build the trams, I would not refer to them as CRRC Sirio but as CRRC Dalian Sirio. Same goes for Flexity and Avenio.
I hope you get my point. If not please ask :)
I agree, CRRC is quite the catchall. I want to ask if there is a country classification that can be added, it may make things easier. If I understand correctly, CRRC mainly makes metros but now a few trams too? We use the sticker on the vehicle in the database/manufacturer at time of production so some old ones show up. Please use original chinese name to make it easier to find in a search.

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Сообщение Christian Maibaum » 06 янв 2023, 19:50

Please edit the model
Vario LF.E+

The 6 cars on transphoto using this model designation are "Vario LF+" (according to manufacturer placard).
According to this website http://www.plzensketramvaje.cz/?page=varioLFplus.htm "The car has new asynchronous equipment from Škoda Electric."
If it is necessary to include the electrical equipment in the model designation, then it should be Vario LF+.S
However, since there is no other manufacturer for this model, this can be omitted. -> Vario LF+

These two vehicles from Most https://transphoto.org/list.php?serv=0&mid=2232&cid=169 are VarioLF+ too.
Because of the irritating Vario LF.E+ designation, these were called VarioLF.S instead. However, this is not correct since the "+" has only one step in the passenger compartment.

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Сообщение focus1965 » 07 янв 2023, 02:11

Hello Christian,

https://transphoto.org/models.php?t=1

You can find the Vario trams under the factory Aliance TW Team.

You ask here to edit a model. This is only possible if we're 100 % sure that this model (Vario LF.E+) never existed.
Otherwise we can add a new type but here again, we must be sure that's 100 % correct and exactly what the manufacter used.

I think it's more easy to make a ticket (edit a model) and another ticket to add a new model in the database.

Later, edits can be done for the vehicles. If I understand it, about Most: LF.E+ is called LF.S but must be LF+? Something like that? In that case, make a ticket for a new tramtype and then you can make the necessary changes in the database. You can then explain this to the local editor, who will accept or reject this.

You made different requests here. General Editors can add (or change) the models, but for the local databases, we trust the Local Editors and we (General Editors) will not make changes like you suggest: this must be approved by the local ones, just because it's "locale cuisine".

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Сообщение Christian Maibaum » 15 янв 2023, 02:01

focus1965 пишет:
07 янв 2023, 02:11
You ask here to edit a model. This is only possible if we're 100 % sure that this model (Vario LF.E+) never existed.
It did never exist:
Model page from manufacturer: http://www.pragoimex.cz/page/tramvaj-variolfplus-48
Leaflet from manufacturer (page two, top of table http://www.pragoimex.cz/en/download/default/63 )

And proof of the two tramcars in Most:
https://transphoto.org/photo/1047445/?vid=237659
https://transphoto.org/photo/1046420/?vid=350435

Unfortunately no manufacturer placards of the Plzeň tramcars can be found on transphoto.org

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Сообщение Michal Isakov » 15 янв 2023, 23:37

Yes, Vario LF+ had only Škoda equipment. Corrected, thanks.

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